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:Remove section 1.6 - this information should be included in the relevant setcion of the rules, and the Change log, as we run the risk of duplicating rules, and then not keeping the changes aligned.
:Remove section 1.6 - this information should be included in the relevant setcion of the rules, and the Change log, as we run the risk of duplicating rules, and then not keeping the changes aligned.


==Rules of the Lists==
 
:The Rules of the List were updated in October 2020 for gender neutral language, and to remove the right of the Sovereign to waive additional Kingdom standards. They are also inclusive of fencing.
==Changes for v 6.0==
:We had pointed out that our Board and Committee could not allow that rule in Lochac due to our organisations holding legal liability for our combat rules, rather than the Crown, so the Sovereign could not relax the rules arbitrarily.
;1.6.1
:*Was "During practices, for weapons drills with an opponent, you must wear eye protection. For drills with the spear, you must wear full face protection."
:*Now "For drills against opponents with a spear, you must wear full face protection."
:The current rules do not improve safety, as spectacles and sunglasses are not personal protective equipment and cause an unacceptable level of risk-acceptance, as fencers can believe they are protected.
:The current rules are also not enforceable because there is no useful and consistent way to define "drill". Some marshals consider that demonstrating an action with a sword is a "drill" and thus requires eye protection (even if the person the sword is pointed at does not move and is in full gear) and others consider a "drill" anything up to full speed sparring. Defining "drill" as anything other than full sparring, the broadest possible capture definition, is not useful because "sparring" is also not simple to define and you end up in a situation where anyone picking up a sword needs eye wear which doesn't actually protect them.
:From a risk perspective, the existing requirement does not meaningfully improve safety and is impractical.  Fencers are able to take a risk-based approach to training depending on their own training and opponent, given there is no international case base to suggest lack of eye protection causes heightened risk, nor are these rules mirrored at Society level.
:For spears, given the chance that an accident could cause a catastrophic injury, additional protection is warranted.

Revision as of 00:16, 28 March 2023

Notes from Earl Marshal for next update

Remove section 1.6 - this information should be included in the relevant setcion of the rules, and the Change log, as we run the risk of duplicating rules, and then not keeping the changes aligned.


Changes for v 6.0

1.6.1
  • Was "During practices, for weapons drills with an opponent, you must wear eye protection. For drills with the spear, you must wear full face protection."
  • Now "For drills against opponents with a spear, you must wear full face protection."
The current rules do not improve safety, as spectacles and sunglasses are not personal protective equipment and cause an unacceptable level of risk-acceptance, as fencers can believe they are protected.
The current rules are also not enforceable because there is no useful and consistent way to define "drill". Some marshals consider that demonstrating an action with a sword is a "drill" and thus requires eye protection (even if the person the sword is pointed at does not move and is in full gear) and others consider a "drill" anything up to full speed sparring. Defining "drill" as anything other than full sparring, the broadest possible capture definition, is not useful because "sparring" is also not simple to define and you end up in a situation where anyone picking up a sword needs eye wear which doesn't actually protect them.
From a risk perspective, the existing requirement does not meaningfully improve safety and is impractical. Fencers are able to take a risk-based approach to training depending on their own training and opponent, given there is no international case base to suggest lack of eye protection causes heightened risk, nor are these rules mirrored at Society level.
For spears, given the chance that an accident could cause a catastrophic injury, additional protection is warranted.