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==Editing required==
==Rattan Weapons==
*Footnote re towball covers can be removed but this exemption is now no longer relevant due to the existence of low-profile thrusting tips.
===General===
*Quarterstaffs are no longer mentioned in Society rules at all, so are not expressly prohibited, though two handed weapons can't have cutting/smashing surfaces at both ends.
;Crossguards and tsuba - July 2021
*"Restraints are not required on great weapons or spears used single-handed, or on single-handed back-up weapons less than 45 centimetres in length." Society rules don't include a max length for back-up single-handed weapons not requiring lanyards. Is this a specifically Lochac thing?
:A clarification from Society Armored Combat Marshal that tsuba must also not be able to be forced more than 12.7mm into a legal faceguard. Crossguards etc tend to make incidental contact with faceplates during binds.
*Check if we need to update section on siloflex to match specs in Society rule VII B 2 "Rattan-cored Siloflex or Siloflex equivalent weapons shall be constructed using tubular materials meeting ASTM standard D-2239 or the international equivalent, with a pressure rating of 160 PSI or greater, having at least a 1.25 inch (31.8 mm) diameter on the outside and at least .125 (that is, 1/8) inch (3.2 mm) walls, and having an inner core of rattan that fills the interior of the tubular material entirely."
;Striking surface (A clarification via Society Earl marshal) - October 2013
*Add natural polypropylene round rod (maximum diameter: 1.25 inches (31.8mm) to the available materials for single-handed weapons
:Because of the nature of our activities and the ability of our weapons to break during use the "striking surface" of a weapon is to be considered throughout the entire striking portion, blade, or head, of the weapon, not only the outside "skin" or layer. This includes all interior construction materials and parts no matter how "deep" inside.
*Society rules VII B 7 say that the maximum total mass for a single-handed weapon is 5lb (2.27kg)
:Please note that this means materials such as 'chopping board' plastic may not be used for the construction of weapon heads.


[[User:Angele|Angele]] ([[User talk:Angele|talk]]) 16:25, 17 June 2018 (NZST)
===Single-handed Swords===
;Construction requirement for Polypropylene ('polypro') swords - June 2015
All polypropylene swords in use in Lochac must either;
:# have at least 3 layers of fibre tape ( that has the lengthways fibers, not cross hatch tape), run along both blade faces over the tip of the sword; or
:# webbing belt or a leather strip along the blade face and over the tip.
:This measure is designed to prevent the end of the stick flying off in the event of breakage.


==Actual notes==
;Prohibition on madus between 2013 and 2015
*Duke Eringlin, Society Marshal gave Lochac a dispensation to use 46mm towball caps, June 2001.
:The 2013 Society rules added a rule that prohibited single handed weapons under 1.22m from having both a thrusting tip and a butt spike (you could have one or the other, but not both), to prohibit madus, as "The madu was not a weapon of individual combat during the SCA’s period of study, and therefore it is excluded from SCA Armored Combat." This rule was removed two years later.


'''Striking surface (A clarification via Society Earl marshal)''' - October 2013
;Polypropylene rod as alternative to rattan - September 2012
<br>Because of the nature of our activities and the ability of our weapons to break during use the "striking surface" of a weapon is to be considered throughout the entire striking portion, blade, or head, of the weapon, not only the outside "skin" or layer. This includes all interior construction materials and parts no matter how "deep" inside.
: As per the announcement from the SCA US and the changes to the Society Marshals' Handbook in May 2012, polypropylene round rod of a diameter no greater than 31.8mm is now permissible as an alternative to rattan for single handed weapons within Lochac.
<br>Please note that this means materials such as 'chopping board' plastic may not be used for the construction of weapon heads.


'''Rubber weapon heads''' - October 2013
;Maximum weapon weight - 2007?
<br>The 'Acorn roller' rubber mace heads are legal for use in Lochac.
:It may have been a typo in the 2009 Lochac Fighters Handbook, but the Society rules state that the maximum weight for single-handed weapon is 2.27kg (5lbs), not 2.73kg (6lb)
<br>The rubber 'Talhoffer' pole axe heads are legal for use in Lochac.


'''Construction requirement for Polypropylene ('polypro') swords''' - June 2105
;Siloflex - May 2005
<br>Effective immediately, all polypro swords in use in Lochac must either;
:Siloflex is a brand name and is not available in Australia or New Zealand. The approved equivalent for Lochac is OD 32mm (approx ID 25mm), medium density, black polyethylene water pipe, 12 bar pressure rating.
# have at least 3 layers of fibre tape ( that has the lengthways fibers, not cross hatch tape), run along both blade faces over the tip of the sword; or
# webbing belt or a leather strip along the blade face and over the tip.
<br>This measure is designed to prevent the end of the stick flying off in the event of breakage.
<br>All marshals are to ensure this direction has been complied with or the weapon bounces and shall not be allowed on the field.


[[User:Angele|Angele]] ([[User talk:Angele|talk]]) 16:09, 17 June 2018 (NZST)
===Single-handed Mass Weapons===
;Rubber weapon heads - October 2013
:The 'Acorn roller' rubber mace heads are legal for use in Lochac.
:The rubber 'Talhoffer' pole axe heads are legal for use in Lochac.
 
;Maximum weapon weight - 2007?
:It may have been a typo in the 2009 Lochac Fighters Handbook, but the Society rules state that the maximum weight for single-handed weapon is 2.27kg (5lbs), not 2.73kg (6lb)
 
===Two-handed Weapons===
;Quarterstaves - June 2018
:The use of quarterstaves for combat in the SCA is not expressly forbidden in the 2018 Marshals Handbook, so that statement has been removed from the rules. The rules continue to prohibit weapons from having a cutting and/or smashing heads at both ends.
 
===High-profile Thrusting Tips===
;Towball caps - June 2001
:Duke Eringlin, Society Marshal gave Lochac a dispensation to use 46mm towball caps.

Latest revision as of 20:48, 5 February 2023


Rattan Weapons

General

Crossguards and tsuba - July 2021
A clarification from Society Armored Combat Marshal that tsuba must also not be able to be forced more than 12.7mm into a legal faceguard. Crossguards etc tend to make incidental contact with faceplates during binds.
Striking surface (A clarification via Society Earl marshal) - October 2013
Because of the nature of our activities and the ability of our weapons to break during use the "striking surface" of a weapon is to be considered throughout the entire striking portion, blade, or head, of the weapon, not only the outside "skin" or layer. This includes all interior construction materials and parts no matter how "deep" inside.
Please note that this means materials such as 'chopping board' plastic may not be used for the construction of weapon heads.

Single-handed Swords

Construction requirement for Polypropylene ('polypro') swords - June 2015

All polypropylene swords in use in Lochac must either;

  1. have at least 3 layers of fibre tape ( that has the lengthways fibers, not cross hatch tape), run along both blade faces over the tip of the sword; or
  2. webbing belt or a leather strip along the blade face and over the tip.
This measure is designed to prevent the end of the stick flying off in the event of breakage.
Prohibition on madus between 2013 and 2015
The 2013 Society rules added a rule that prohibited single handed weapons under 1.22m from having both a thrusting tip and a butt spike (you could have one or the other, but not both), to prohibit madus, as "The madu was not a weapon of individual combat during the SCA’s period of study, and therefore it is excluded from SCA Armored Combat." This rule was removed two years later.
Polypropylene rod as alternative to rattan - September 2012
As per the announcement from the SCA US and the changes to the Society Marshals' Handbook in May 2012, polypropylene round rod of a diameter no greater than 31.8mm is now permissible as an alternative to rattan for single handed weapons within Lochac.
Maximum weapon weight - 2007?
It may have been a typo in the 2009 Lochac Fighters Handbook, but the Society rules state that the maximum weight for single-handed weapon is 2.27kg (5lbs), not 2.73kg (6lb)
Siloflex - May 2005
Siloflex is a brand name and is not available in Australia or New Zealand. The approved equivalent for Lochac is OD 32mm (approx ID 25mm), medium density, black polyethylene water pipe, 12 bar pressure rating.

Single-handed Mass Weapons

Rubber weapon heads - October 2013
The 'Acorn roller' rubber mace heads are legal for use in Lochac.
The rubber 'Talhoffer' pole axe heads are legal for use in Lochac.
Maximum weapon weight - 2007?
It may have been a typo in the 2009 Lochac Fighters Handbook, but the Society rules state that the maximum weight for single-handed weapon is 2.27kg (5lbs), not 2.73kg (6lb)

Two-handed Weapons

Quarterstaves - June 2018
The use of quarterstaves for combat in the SCA is not expressly forbidden in the 2018 Marshals Handbook, so that statement has been removed from the rules. The rules continue to prohibit weapons from having a cutting and/or smashing heads at both ends.

High-profile Thrusting Tips

Towball caps - June 2001
Duke Eringlin, Society Marshal gave Lochac a dispensation to use 46mm towball caps.
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