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==Editing required==
==Rattan Weapons==
*Footnote re towball covers can be removed but this exemption is now no longer relevant due to the existence of low-profile thrusting tips.
===General===
*"Restraints are not required on great weapons or spears used single-handed, or on single-handed back-up weapons less than 45 centimetres in length." Society rules don't include a max length for back-up single-handed weapons not requiring lanyards. Is this a specifically Lochac thing?
;Crossguards and tsuba - July 2021
*Check if we need to update section on siloflex to match specs in Society rule VII B 2 "Rattan-cored Siloflex or Siloflex equivalent weapons shall be constructed using tubular materials meeting ASTM standard D-2239 or the international equivalent, with a pressure rating of 160 PSI or greater, having at least a 1.25 inch (31.8 mm) diameter on the outside and at least .125 (that is, 1/8) inch (3.2 mm) walls, and having an inner core of rattan that fills the interior of the tubular material entirely."
:A clarification from Society Armored Combat Marshal that tsuba must also not be able to be forced more than 12.7mm into a legal faceguard. Crossguards etc tend to make incidental contact with faceplates during binds.
*Add natural polypropylene round rod (maximum diameter: 1.25 inches (31.8mm) to the available materials for single-handed weapons
;Striking surface (A clarification via Society Earl marshal) - October 2013
*Society rules VII B 7 say that the maximum total mass for a single-handed weapon is 5lb (2.27kg)
:Because of the nature of our activities and the ability of our weapons to break during use the "striking surface" of a weapon is to be considered throughout the entire striking portion, blade, or head, of the weapon, not only the outside "skin" or layer. This includes all interior construction materials and parts no matter how "deep" inside.
*incorporate changes from rulings below
:Please note that this means materials such as 'chopping board' plastic may not be used for the construction of weapon heads.
[[User:Angele|Angele]] ([[User talk:Angele|talk]]) 22:33, 26 June 2018 (NZST)
 
===Single-handed Swords===
;Construction requirement for Polypropylene ('polypro') swords - June 2015
All polypropylene swords in use in Lochac must either;
:# have at least 3 layers of fibre tape ( that has the lengthways fibers, not cross hatch tape), run along both blade faces over the tip of the sword; or
:# webbing belt or a leather strip along the blade face and over the tip.
:This measure is designed to prevent the end of the stick flying off in the event of breakage.
 
;Prohibition on madus between 2013 and 2015
:The 2013 Society rules added a rule that prohibited single handed weapons under 1.22m from having both a thrusting tip and a butt spike (you could have one or the other, but not both), to prohibit madus, as "The madu was not a weapon of individual combat during the SCA’s period of study, and therefore it is excluded from SCA Armored Combat." This rule was removed two years later.
 
;Polypropylene rod as alternative to rattan - September 2012
: As per the announcement from the SCA US and the changes to the Society Marshals' Handbook in May 2012, polypropylene round rod of a diameter no greater than 31.8mm is now permissible as an alternative to rattan for single handed weapons within Lochac.


==Actual notes==
;Maximum weapon weight - 2007?
;Towball caps - June 2001
:It may have been a typo in the 2009 Lochac Fighters Handbook, but the Society rules state that the maximum weight for single-handed weapon is 2.27kg (5lbs), not 2.73kg (6lb)
:Duke Eringlin, Society Marshal gave Lochac a dispensation to use 46mm towball caps.


;Siloflex - May 2005
;Siloflex - May 2005
:Siloflex is a brand name and is not available in Australia or New Zealand. The approved equivalent for Lochac is OD 32mm (approx ID 25mm), medium density, black polyethylene water pipe, 12 bar pressure rating.
:Siloflex is a brand name and is not available in Australia or New Zealand. The approved equivalent for Lochac is OD 32mm (approx ID 25mm), medium density, black polyethylene water pipe, 12 bar pressure rating.


;Striking surface (A clarification via Society Earl marshal) - October 2013
===Single-handed Mass Weapons===
:Because of the nature of our activities and the ability of our weapons to break during use the "striking surface" of a weapon is to be considered throughout the entire striking portion, blade, or head, of the weapon, not only the outside "skin" or layer. This includes all interior construction materials and parts no matter how "deep" inside.
:Please note that this means materials such as 'chopping board' plastic may not be used for the construction of weapon heads.
 
;Rubber weapon heads - October 2013
;Rubber weapon heads - October 2013
:The 'Acorn roller' rubber mace heads are legal for use in Lochac.
:The 'Acorn roller' rubber mace heads are legal for use in Lochac.
:The rubber 'Talhoffer' pole axe heads are legal for use in Lochac.
:The rubber 'Talhoffer' pole axe heads are legal for use in Lochac.


;Construction requirement for Polypropylene ('polypro') swords - June 2015
;Maximum weapon weight - 2007?
:Effective immediately, all polypro swords in use in Lochac must either;
:It may have been a typo in the 2009 Lochac Fighters Handbook, but the Society rules state that the maximum weight for single-handed weapon is 2.27kg (5lbs), not 2.73kg (6lb)
:# have at least 3 layers of fibre tape ( that has the lengthways fibers, not cross hatch tape), run along both blade faces over the tip of the sword; or
:# webbing belt or a leather strip along the blade face and over the tip.
:This measure is designed to prevent the end of the stick flying off in the event of breakage.
:All marshals are to ensure this direction has been complied with or the weapon bounces and shall not be allowed on the field.
 
[[User:Angele|Angele]] ([[User talk:Angele|talk]]) 22:33, 26 June 2018 (NZST)


===Two-handed Weapons===
;Quarterstaves - June 2018
;Quarterstaves - June 2018
:The use of quarterstaves for combat in the SCA is not expressly forbidden in the 2018 Marshals Handbook, so that statement has been removed from the rules. The rules continue to prohibit weapons from having a cutting and/or smashing heads at both ends.
:The use of quarterstaves for combat in the SCA is not expressly forbidden in the 2018 Marshals Handbook, so that statement has been removed from the rules. The rules continue to prohibit weapons from having a cutting and/or smashing heads at both ends.


[[User:Angele|Angele]] ([[User talk:Angele|talk]]) 19:31, 27 June 2018 (NZST)
===High-profile Thrusting Tips===
;Towball caps - June 2001
:Duke Eringlin, Society Marshal gave Lochac a dispensation to use 46mm towball caps.

Latest revision as of 20:48, 5 February 2023


Rattan Weapons

General

Crossguards and tsuba - July 2021
A clarification from Society Armored Combat Marshal that tsuba must also not be able to be forced more than 12.7mm into a legal faceguard. Crossguards etc tend to make incidental contact with faceplates during binds.
Striking surface (A clarification via Society Earl marshal) - October 2013
Because of the nature of our activities and the ability of our weapons to break during use the "striking surface" of a weapon is to be considered throughout the entire striking portion, blade, or head, of the weapon, not only the outside "skin" or layer. This includes all interior construction materials and parts no matter how "deep" inside.
Please note that this means materials such as 'chopping board' plastic may not be used for the construction of weapon heads.

Single-handed Swords

Construction requirement for Polypropylene ('polypro') swords - June 2015

All polypropylene swords in use in Lochac must either;

  1. have at least 3 layers of fibre tape ( that has the lengthways fibers, not cross hatch tape), run along both blade faces over the tip of the sword; or
  2. webbing belt or a leather strip along the blade face and over the tip.
This measure is designed to prevent the end of the stick flying off in the event of breakage.
Prohibition on madus between 2013 and 2015
The 2013 Society rules added a rule that prohibited single handed weapons under 1.22m from having both a thrusting tip and a butt spike (you could have one or the other, but not both), to prohibit madus, as "The madu was not a weapon of individual combat during the SCA’s period of study, and therefore it is excluded from SCA Armored Combat." This rule was removed two years later.
Polypropylene rod as alternative to rattan - September 2012
As per the announcement from the SCA US and the changes to the Society Marshals' Handbook in May 2012, polypropylene round rod of a diameter no greater than 31.8mm is now permissible as an alternative to rattan for single handed weapons within Lochac.
Maximum weapon weight - 2007?
It may have been a typo in the 2009 Lochac Fighters Handbook, but the Society rules state that the maximum weight for single-handed weapon is 2.27kg (5lbs), not 2.73kg (6lb)
Siloflex - May 2005
Siloflex is a brand name and is not available in Australia or New Zealand. The approved equivalent for Lochac is OD 32mm (approx ID 25mm), medium density, black polyethylene water pipe, 12 bar pressure rating.

Single-handed Mass Weapons

Rubber weapon heads - October 2013
The 'Acorn roller' rubber mace heads are legal for use in Lochac.
The rubber 'Talhoffer' pole axe heads are legal for use in Lochac.
Maximum weapon weight - 2007?
It may have been a typo in the 2009 Lochac Fighters Handbook, but the Society rules state that the maximum weight for single-handed weapon is 2.27kg (5lbs), not 2.73kg (6lb)

Two-handed Weapons

Quarterstaves - June 2018
The use of quarterstaves for combat in the SCA is not expressly forbidden in the 2018 Marshals Handbook, so that statement has been removed from the rules. The rules continue to prohibit weapons from having a cutting and/or smashing heads at both ends.

High-profile Thrusting Tips

Towball caps - June 2001
Duke Eringlin, Society Marshal gave Lochac a dispensation to use 46mm towball caps.